If you try to purchase exhaust fan then better to by more diameter fan for air out. If you setup a pull from the inside to the outside, it'll be easier to clean the radiator. Case Fans: 4x be quiet! These are usually the factory location for electric fans. I'm new to building computers and I'm not sure if it is better to pull the air inside my case through the radiator and out or to push air from the outside in? Push-pull is not really useful with nowadays rads. Posted in Troubleshooting, Linus Media Group Pull trim: the fan(s) suck in the air as if/they were installed below the radiator and "pull" the air across the radiator fins. As soon as you start driving, the fan will never be able to pull air against the air movement from driving. Pull fans mount on the inside of the radiator, and they pull the air across the radiator. Notice that the fan is located on the radiator hose side of the radiator. I planned to mount the radiator into the front ..... assuming the AIO cooler tubes are long enough i would place the radiator in the front. Posted in Audio, By Posted in New Builds and Planning, By By: AUTOSAVER88. (i've seen up to 10C higher), reason3: a front mounted radiator in pull is easier to clean as well (yes even tho you have a dust filter you will get dust in). Dominic Moass December 28, 2016 Cooling, Featured Tech Reviews When I built my first PC a few years back, I ⦠mihaivoicu_ So in other words FOR EQUIVALENT NOISE â Push/Pull on ANY radiator out performs Push on ANY radiator. Kimbie, you can run an H100i in push or pull fashion within the Air240 case. Front radiator push pull. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Computer_case_coolingair_flow.png, http://www.overclockers.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=111511&d=1339592332. I have a x72. By the way, why an AIO with a Ryzen 1600? Posted in Troubleshooting, By Now if you want better cooling, put identical fans on both sides of the radiator, and use both, or all four fans (depending on rad size) to increase airflow through the fins. With its overall thickness of 3.26 inch and an overall diameter of 16.73 inches, the AUTOSAVER88 Black⦠For the Hyper 212 LED, I ⦠Push vs. Started 14 minutes ago  - The rest of your components won't be as hot. You can attach fans to both sides of the radiators. If you mean the pice covers, is that being sucked in or just floating in? Posted in Laptops and Pre-Built Systems, By Started 4 minutes ago By Just do push out. reason 2:with a OPEN style GPU cooler (that exhaust the hot air into the case) will affect the CPU temps if the radiator would be placed in the top. How should i configure my AIO cooling what would you recommend? reason 1: your GPU temps won't be affected by a front mounted rad. The only thing that will happen is your room will be hotter. Either way, pushing the case air from inside the case, through the rad, and out or pulling the case air through the rad and to the outside (fan in front, or behind the radiator) won't make a huge difference either way. The pull is where it's mounted behind the radiator (usual position) and pulls air through the radiator and exhausts the air across the engine compartment. A push fan mounts between the radiator and the outside of the car â it pushes air from the outside through the radiator. Now I'm getting 70c max with an average 58c. Fresh airflow enters through the grille, then is pushed through the radiator core, and exits out the back side of the radiator. I try and use "pull" as often as I can because it does not force dust/stuff into the fins of the radiator like "push" does. Air outside to inside I have found does lower my CPU temp vs the reverse. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. Pull/Pull came out at 8.9C which a little better, but still not worthwhile. Started 18 minutes ago You NEVER EVER want a fan in front of the radiator as a PULLER. Using radiator as intake on the other hand hardly effects GPU temps in game. Results - On Prime95 after an hour, I got 84c on a i9 9900k 5.0 all cores at v1.30. Oh, Thank you for the advice! I will mount the radiator at the front and use Noctua 3000 RPM fans to push air through the radiator and NZXT 2000 RPM fans to pull air into PC. Don't know what your getting at really Recent build: Meshify C / The 1080TI Strix Noctua mod / Define S X58 Xeon build / Specs: i7 8700k 5.1GHz - Asus GTX 1080TI Strix OC - Corsair vengeance 16GB - Asus Z370 ROG Maximus X Hero - Fractal Meshify C TG White - EVGA 850W Supernova G2 80+ Gold - Fractal Celsius S36, This is a very informational and helpful video that should answer your questions. RAM: 16GB (2x8) Trident Z RGB 3200MHZ Potato Laptop (Samsung Series 5 Ultrabook, 2013): RAM: 8GB DDR3 2133mhz SODIMM (1x4GB Samsung, 1x4GB Kingston), SSD: Kingston 24GB SSD (originally for caching), You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. Where should i mount that then? Depending on the graphics card length, you can also run a push-pull setup like I do for my personal system at home. Today i will get my last part for my new rig, the beQuiet Silent Loop 240mm! reasons why i prefere radiators in the front. Pull fans: these fans pull air through the radiator and are located on the engine side of the radiator. If the fans have high static presure, the airflow will be OK even passing through a radiator. I recently went push/pull (same configs/same mount). When the air goes through the radiators its picking up the warm air. i would not use a fan in the bottom behind the psu because that dust filter is annoying to get out + cleaning the fan in the front is just easier. Pretty much no difference, just do whatever balances the airflow better. Pusher fans are used typically where there is a limited amount of space for a properly sized puller fan. A cleaner radiator certainly performs better than a dirty one and if it's a pain to clean then it is less likely to get done regularly. RAM: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 3000mHz 16GB DDR4 (2x8GB) RGB, Motherboard: Asus ROG Strix X370-F Gaming ATX, PSU: Corsair RM650i 650W 80+ Gold Fully Modular, Fans: 4x Cooler Master Masterfan Pro 120 Air Balance.  Also remember heat rises.Â. The other option would be mounting it into the top (tho i have to remove my sound dampening blocks on the top for that and also no filter material there!) Messages: 12,104 Likes Received: 19 GPU: 2xTitan XM@1590Mhz-CH20. Maximum Fan CFM: 1730 cfm. Power Supply: Corsair HX1000i Platinum-Rated, Radiator Fans: 3x Corsair ML120 This way we can assess whether fan configuration makes much difference whether you are using a radiator or a more typical heatsink tower. Not really the air is already going to go through and since the loop is constantly dissipating the heat through the fins so it will stay cool. So if I get the corsair h100i I should replace the 120mm fans and use 140mm fans? Posted in Troubleshooting, By Difference between Push and Pull Fans. And I will set up 3 Aer F120 120mm Case fans at the top and 1 Aer F140 140mm Case fan at the back to ⦠TOP PCI-E lane doesnt recieve all the bandwith it should get, I just built my first ever PC, and everything looks great, besides when I go on storage on bios there is no SSD identified. The video above shows 2 -120s in the top of the case during all tests and he even got a 10c rise with the top rad and fans because the case wasn't exhausting enough GPU  heat fast enough I assume thru the radiator which is added restriction at the top. AntonioMarius If you have an overheating problem, I recommend getting an alluminum Radiator for about $350.00 THe air can go around. Are you overclocking? There is enough room inside the chassis to mount push/pull wholly in the case and still have clearance for a very long GPU card (More than 320mm) All rights reserved. (Really old hardware like in the days of windows 98). Exhausting air form inside the case through a radiator may give you a few degrees higher CPU temp in games because GPU makes a lot of hot air. What you should do though, is consider switching to better, double ball bearing, or hydraulif fluid bearing fans in 120mm, or use 4 of those 120mm fans with the radiator sandwiched between each pair. Your cpu temps will rise as compared to having 2 fans in the top. Push, pull or push/pull after all? Posted in CPUs, Motherboards, and Memory, By Started 30 minutes ago For example, my AIO is pushing air out of the back with 1 extra exhaust fan (total of 3) and there's 3 intake fans. Also in the front under the radiator or at the bottom with the PSU? Linus Media Group is not associated with these services. If you put it in the from thne leave the filter because you will have to use the fans as intakes. Ok so it performs better and is quieter but what about money? front of the case placement. would pushing hot air from the case through the radiator cause the liquids temperature to to raise? Push, pull, or push/pull? So if you do push in then you will send in more heat to your components. And every PC setup is different as well, so try them all and see what works best in your case. Depending on the physical arrangement of the fan and airflow path, when air is pushed in by a fan at the front end, dust will accumulate to some extent on the screen and blades. It was very helpful and i'll definitely be using that set up. If you plan to run fans in the top, it will be a tight squeeze, and the front ⦠©2021 PCPartPicker, LLC. Started 26 minutes ago Please explain your question fully, so I can answer it fully. in front of the radiator or condenser, they need to be push. Basically, putting it on the front means:  - The rest of your build will be slightly warmer because of the hot air leaving the radiator. my name is guru iam tech Don't forget to quote me when replying to me! level 2 Kaison12345 The push style do pull fresh air, but there is no guarantee that they will push it through the radiator. Sign up for a new account in our community. If you want to use a push and pull system on your radiator, this will give you a more consistent speed of air moving through the radiator and makes ⦠Pull fans: these fans pull air through the radiator and are located on the engine side of the radiator. no. GeneralGusher If, however, the fans are behind the radiator and they pull the air through them, thatâs called «pull». There's advantages & disadvantaged for all of them. Started 24 minutes ago And honestly, you get some pretty big diminishing returns when you do push/pull unless you are using a thick radiator (50mm +). @safredAAs, you do not want the fans pulling air through the radiator if you put it on top, the dust build up will/should annoy you. When the fans are placed in front of the radiator and air pushes through them itâs called «push». reason3: a front mounted radiator in pull is easier to clean as well (yes even tho you have a dust filter you will get dust in) with running this setup you can also keep the top closed of with the sound dampening material. aaronnickols27 TONS of people have asked me about fan configurations for radiators and heatsinks. BezneaMihai its better to push the air outside. Â, If your keeping the top closed off your probably not exhausting enough air for a big non blower GPU. There will be a few degrees difference if you use the radiator on top than in front. You do not want a fan infront of the radiator as a pusher. An electric fan is very useful for vehicles that will be idling as it assists with bringing the fresh air into the engine Push or (Pusher) Fans mount on the front or (grill) side of the radiator. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated! instead of using fresh air? Fan/Radiator combo are mounted inside the case, fans are not located on chassis rails - main reason is to create a larger channel for intake air to flow. Radiator Fan 12V 80W. CPU: Ryzen 2700X The stock auto Supra has the single mechanical fan, a small electrical pull fan on the driver's side and a larger push style as well on the driver's side. Echus100 r1cky- Posted in Programs, Apps and Websites, By My suggestion Push/pull. Powered by Invision Community, Let's create a new but old pc. Notice that the fan is located on the radiator hose side of the radiator. Push/Push came out at 9.1C, which is barely any better than just one fan in push. Pull â electric radiator fans come in two different types â push and pull. Push or pull makes no difference for the radiator. Started 9 minutes ago here is an example I also have a 140mm fan from the case left that is currently running in the front pulling air in. At first I did a intake push through the rad. Make sure you get static pressure fans for the radiator and put the same fans in front. I planned to mount the radiator into the front (filtered material there and intakes in the front panel in the Fractal Define S Window) with the fans pulling air through the Radiator into the case. Started 30 minutes ago Feel free to try either configuration, as this tends to differ slightly between builds. Posted in New Builds and Planning, By If you use the top put the fans to push the air up through the top and remove the filter thing on top for more air to go out the top. Veteran Ancient Guru. Here is an example, in a normal pc the air is just going to find an opening to leave like here http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a5/Computer_case_coolingair_flow.png, The way you would have it is like this where the radiator is just added and all the hot air will still be able to be released but going through the radiator. Started 20 minutes ago The H100i is a 240mm radiator, meaning it takes a pair of 120mm fans. with running this setup you can also keep the top closed of with the sound dampening material. Maximum Fan RPM: 2,250 rpm. Push or pull type (Remove the bolt at center of the fan, and reverse the fan blades). Testing push vs pull vs push/pull. Behind they need to be pull. and let them also pull air through the radiator. Either way, pushing the case air from inside the case, through the rad, and out or pulling the case air through the rad and to the outside (fan in front, or behind the radiator) won't make a ⦠Silent Wings 3. It is min 2 exhaust fan and 1 intake air fan should be required. They push fresh air that enters from the grill through the radiator. 2x 140mm Phanteks front case fans removed. These are usually the factory location for electric fans. Fans that pull are more efficient due to the vehicles motion and the ability to have more space to force incoming air from the ground via air deflectors aimed at the heat exchanger assembly! Push trim: The fan(s) suck in the air as if it/they were installed on top the radiator and "push" the air across the radiator fins. I'm not an expert on fans, but, the "push/pull" goes like this....pushing is where it's mounted in front of the radiator, and blows back through the radiator AND the engine compartment. It makes for a hugely fan sandwich of fan/rad/fan, but it's effective. SirNapkin1334 http://i46.tinypic.com/2zp0ck2.jpg. Cooler: Corsair H150i PRO RGB 360mm Liquid Cooler Push vs Pull vs Push/Shroud vs Pull/Shroud 25mm Fan - 1350 RPM If you are going to use a slim profile fan push/pull would be necessary to achive any real performance in which case you'd be better off with a standard 25mm thick with High Static pressure designed for a radiator in pull only Space is always your first consideration, but where space is not an issue push/pull always increases performance. It will keep your computer cooler. Include hardware for easy zip tie mounting. Posted in Troubleshooting, By Motherboard: ASUS Crosshair VII Hero Yes more fans = more money. Bottom line, if you want to run two fans, run one on either side of the radiator in a push/pull configuration. It's easy! loumagoo SSD: Samsung 960 EVO NVME SSD 1TB, Intel 1TB NVME, Graphics Card: Asus ROG Strix GTX 1080Ti OC, Case: Phanteks Evolv X Push/Pull still comes in at 85%+, and the highest Push radiator is only at 70%. I would use pull for a front rad, that way you can see if a fan dies or something, and the front of the rad will be easier to clean just by removing the front panel and filter. Radiator Fan + Mounting Kit. PSU Tier List Cooler Tier List SSD Tier List  My Specs Below! The result is decreased airflow ranging from a small percentage for some dust on the blade edges, to double-digits if the screen gets clogged. Which do I recommend? I'm keeping everything else the way it was for anyone who might check out my answers in future, but I won't be using LTT. A-Team Performance 130031 Electric Radiator Cooling Fan Cooler Heavy Duty Wide Curved 10 S Blades 12V 3000 CFM Reversible Push or Pull with Mounting ⦠Pusher fans mount on the grille side (front) of the radiator core and push air through the radiator core.  - Your CPU will be a little warmer (the radiator pulls in the warmer exhaust air from the case). 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